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Post 1 written Jul 22, 2009 at 20:56
About all this swine flu business?

I get back to work this week and find out the lad sitting across from me, well his brother has it and so does his girlfriend. It's pretty obvious he's infected yet he's still coming to work. He was coughing and sneezing today and everybody is joking about it. This is serious. People are dying. People who have it or who are suspected to have it should be quarantined.
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Post 2 written Jul 23, 2009 at 00:50
I'm not in the slightest. Swine flu is mostly only dangerous to people with compromised immune systems (ie. sick, very young or very old people). At least here in Canada, 99% of cases are only as bad as the normal flu, then again, we are used to having flu seasons ever year and therefore are somewhat better protected by our immune systems.
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Post 3 written Jul 23, 2009 at 13:29
Modified:  Jul 23, 2009 at 13:33
People who have it or who are suspected to have it should be quarantined.

Well, people who are sick in general shouldn't be going to work/school and passing it along to everybody else either way, regardless of whether they have the swine flu or some other flu.

Swine flu is mostly only dangerous to people with compromised immune systems (ie. sick, very young or very old people).

That's actually very interesting, I'm not doubting what you're saying but here in our media, the reports have been that the Swine flu is a bit unique in the way that it's not the sick or old or people with bad immune systems as you say that are dying from it (as with normal flus), but actually the young (20-40) and healthy that are getting it the worst. I wonder if it's different in different parts of the world maybe? And of course the media also sadly has a way of angling things to try to hype people up on fear to sell more papers as well so it wouldn't shock me if they're exaggerating the risks in some way.

The only serious case here in Sweden though yet is for example a guy 22 years of age who's currently struggling for his life in a hospital, breathing through machines and all that, and he's in excellent shape and a sporty/athletic guy from what I understand. But either way, yes, 99% seem to be quite fine and it's only a very small percentage that gets it in a serious way to where their life is in danger anyway.

Personally, I don't care overly much about it. If it hits very hard here to where people start dropping like flies I'll probably try to avoid crowds and all that, but it's not something I'm getting really worried about. There are a lot of other ways you can get snuffed out in everyday life with much higher risk percentages than the Swine flu.
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Post 4 written Jul 23, 2009 at 17:39
Wait, people still talk about the swine flu? I haven't heard of that in M O N T H S!!!
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Post 5 written Jul 23, 2009 at 18:01
Modified:  Jul 23, 2009 at 18:01
Well it's still considered a pandemic and all that, but from what I've heard the "real" outbreak is expected to happen at some point this late fall / winter around november or december or so, when the regular flu season also hits. So it's probably going to get talked about more in the future if that's the case.
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Post 6 written Jul 23, 2009 at 20:53
Darn, I was hoping it'd just go away.
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Post 7 written Jul 23, 2009 at 21:02
Modified:  Jul 23, 2009 at 21:04
Yes, that's a sensible thing. Bury your heads in the sand and hope the problem goes away. Unfortunately, people did this in 1918 and half the world's population were infected and 50-100 million people died. That started out like this. When vaccines were available, the virus mutated and developed a resistance to it.

Well, people who are sick in general shouldn't be going to work/school and passing it along to everybody else either way, regardless of whether they have the swine flu or some other flu.

I agree but there's a difference. This is killing people.

Wait, people still talk about the swine flu? I haven't heard of that in M O N T H S!!!

It's very much in the news in the UK considering 100,000 people have been infected in the last week.

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Following on from my story, the lad was off work today. He was, indeed, infected with the virus and was advised to stay at home by a doctor. Now everybody I sit with at work is panicking that they've been infected. They're angry that our manager didn't send him home even after she knew there was a clear chance he was infected. I agree too. There's all sorts of legal implications because of this. If one of us is infected because of him and something happens to us, I wouldn't be surprised if legal action is taken over this. We told our manager he was infected yet she did nothing. We were forced to sit near him despite this.

It's only a matter of time before I'm infected.
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Post 8 written Jul 23, 2009 at 22:38
Modified:  Jul 23, 2009 at 22:54
Yes, that's a sensible thing. Bury your heads in the sand and hope the problem goes away.

I'm not hoping it goes away (well in a way, of course I do) but the thought of getting sick and dying from a flu just doesn't scare me much either. We all have to die at some point and there are a lot worse ways of going out than that one. And besides, panicking over it doesn't exactly make the problem go away either.

I agree but there's a difference. This is killing people.

Actually regular flus kill millions of people all the time too, and I don't think this one is particularly more deadly than the others from what I've read about it. Like I said, the thing I've always been told by our media that makes the swine flu so bad is that it also targets young healthy people instead of just the old and sick. In that way, the REAL problem with this thing is that a lot of important functions in society will be knocked out because people will be sick and unable to do their jobs, not because "we're all gonna die!" or anything like that.

Now everybody I sit with at work is panicking that they've been infected.

Heh, I hope it's not the same people who were joking about it before and not wanting to take it seriously.

It's only a matter of time before I'm infected.

You can run but you can't hide! Seriously, I think there's still a disappearingly small chance that you would actually die from this. The swine flu has a tiny, tiny mortality rate - most people who get it only gets sick for a week or two like any other flu, then they're over it. Even if you DID get infected, that's most likely all that will happen to you too.

EDIT:

I just looked up some statistics on the UK side of things. Just as you say 100,000 british now have the disease. Out of those 100,000 though, only 840 have it serious enough to even be treated in a hospital, and out of those 840, it's only for 63 people that it's considered at a "critical" point.

Add to this, that out of all the deaths they've examined so far, in two thirds of the cases it's only ever gotten serious in the first place because the afflicted were suffering from some other serious disease as well.

Still doesn't sound like a lot to lose sleep over to me.
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Post 9 written Jul 24, 2009 at 01:17
Add to this, that out of all the deaths they've examined so far, in two thirds of the cases it's only ever gotten serious in the first place because the afflicted were suffering from some other serious disease as well.

*Agrees with VenomX*

Heck, we went through the whole SARS scare here in Toronto a number of years ago, and even then, it actually didn't scare most people. We just carried on with our lives.

But back to Swine Flu.. this is from wikipedia :

"the true rate of infection may be higher, since most cases only cause a very mild disease, and will probably never be reported or diagnosed.

In addition, the flu death toll in Mexico could be lower than first thought, Dr. Gregory Evans, head of the Association of Medical Microbiology and Infectious Disease Canada and a member of a federal pandemic-planning committee, said on April 29.

   There was a lot of speculation and what seemed to be evidence there were dozens and dozens of deaths. Careful analysis showed these people likely died of something else, and not influenza. That's really good news, and that would fit with what we've seen outside of Mexico.

In comparison, CNN stated on April 28, 2009 that there were at least 800 deaths in the U.S. due to normal influenza in each individual week between January 1 and April 18, which is higher than the combined worldwide death toll for the swine flu."


And the majority of normal flu deaths are people who have compromised immune systems!
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Post 10 written Jul 24, 2009 at 20:14
"It's only a matter of time before I'm infected."-

Your young and strong, get some antibiotics and you'll be alright. My uncle has a friend who's 3 kids were infected with the H1N1 (I'm too lazy to type swine flu...well look at that..) Anyways the kids were about 3 to 5 years old, and they took the doctor prescribed medication and they're all fine.

Theres no doubt people are getting sick and dying, but lets not start acting like this is the black plague here.

"And the majority of normal flu deaths are people who have compromised immune systems!"- Thank you RaptorRed.


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